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Three Tips For Practicing Focus

Summary

In this episode of Developer Tea, host Jonathan Cottrell explores the fundamental importance of focus for developers and anyone in a knowledge work profession. He explains that focus is the ability to maintain a single mindset or task long enough to see it through to completion, and emphasizes that context switching carries significant cognitive costs that reduce overall productivity.

Cottrell presents three practical tips for cultivating better focus. The first is to reduce the inbound flow of communications across all channels—email, phone notifications, and even physical distractions. He recommends turning off push notifications, using headphones to block ambient conversation, and aggressively unsubscribing from non-essential emails so that only truly important communications reach your primary channels.

The second tip is to turn off your mouse while coding to encourage keyboard-centric workflows. Cottrell argues that mastering keyboard shortcuts and command-line tools increases precision and speed while reducing the mental overhead of switching between input devices. He shares calculations showing how even small efficiency gains in keystrokes can save hundreds of minutes over a year.

The final recommendation is a personal experiment called “post-lunch de-stressing.” This involves identifying one thing causing mental clutter or stress right after lunch and addressing it—whether it’s reaching inbox zero, cleaning your workspace, or handling a small administrative task. Cottrell suggests that clearing these minor stressors can significantly improve mental clarity for the remainder of the workday.

Recommendations

Tools

  • unroll.me — A product recommended for easily unsubscribing from email newsletters and reducing inbox clutter. Cottrell mentions it helps cut non-essential emails that serve as distractions.
  • Pushover — An app mentioned that can send notifications from your server (e.g., for high numbers of 500 errors), allowing you to reserve phone notifications for genuine emergencies.
  • Alfred / Finder (Mac OS) — Tools on Mac OS that provide a system-level search/command box triggered by keyboard shortcuts. Cottrell uses these as part of a keyboard-centric workflow to launch applications and perform actions quickly.

Topic Timeline

  • 00:00:00 — Introduction to focus as a fundamental skill — Jonathan Cottrell introduces the episode’s topic: three practical ways to practice focus during work. He explains that focus is about staying in a single mindset or on a single task long enough to be successful, and emphasizes that context switching incurs significant cognitive costs. Unlike computers, humans need time to shift between different ways of thinking, making focus a skill that requires deliberate practice.
  • 00:03:18 — First tip: Reduce inbound communications — Cottrell presents the first tip: reduce the inbound flow of communications to your inbox, phone, and physical environment. He suggests turning off push notifications, using headphones to block background conversations, and unsubscribing from non-essential emails. The goal is to protect important channels (like emails from your boss or family) from being drowned out by noise, allowing you to give proper attention to what truly matters.
  • 00:07:41 — Sponsor segment: Hired.com — A sponsored segment promoting Hired.com, a job platform for software engineers and designers. Cottrell explains that Hired connects users with interview requests from thousands of companies, with salary and equity details upfront. Developer Tea listeners can use a special link to double their signing bonus from 4,000 if they get a job through the platform.
  • 00:10:04 — Second tip: Turn off your mouse while coding — The second tip is to turn off your mouse while coding to force keyboard-centric workflows. Cottrell argues that keyboard shortcuts provide greater precision and speed than mouse-driven interfaces. He shares calculations showing that saving just 50 keystrokes per hour could save over 500 minutes annually. This practice encourages learning command-line tools and system-level shortcuts, ultimately making you a more efficient developer.
  • 00:14:43 — Third tip: Post-lunch de-stressing experiment — The final tip is an experiment called “post-lunch de-stressing.” After lunch, identify one thing causing mental stress or clutter—like reaching inbox zero, cleaning your desk, or handling a small administrative task—and address it. Cottrell explains that clearing these minor stressors can significantly improve mental clarity for the rest of the day. He shares that he practices this with his wife on weekends to achieve greater peace and relaxation.
  • 00:18:31 — Recap and closing remarks — Cottrell reviews the three tips: reducing inbound communications, turning off your mouse while working, and implementing post-lunch de-stressing. He thanks the sponsor Hired.com and encourages listeners to leave a review on iTunes to help other developers discover the show. The episode concludes with a reminder to subscribe and enjoy your tea.

Episode Info

  • Podcast: Developer Tea
  • Author: Jonathan Cutrell
  • Category: Technology Business Careers Society & Culture
  • Published: 2016-01-04T08:00:00Z
  • Duration: 00:20:02

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Podcast Info

Transcript

[00:00:00] Hey everyone, and welcome to Developer Tea.

[00:00:05] My name is Jonathan Cottrell, and in today’s episode, we’re going to be talking about three

[00:00:08] practical ways to practice focus during work.

[00:00:16] I want to thank today’s sponsor, Hired.com.

[00:00:19] If you are a developer or a designer and you’re looking for a job and you don’t know where

[00:00:24] to start, maybe you don’t know of any companies in your area that are looking to hire a developer

[00:00:29] in your position, go and check out Hired.com.

[00:00:33] We’ll talk more about what Hired has to offer to Developer Tea listeners later on in today’s

[00:00:38] episode.

[00:00:41] We’re coming up on a year of Developer Tea.

[00:00:44] One of the very first episodes that I did for Developer Tea was about focus.

[00:00:49] It’s still relevant today, and hopefully most of the stuff that we talk about on the show

[00:00:54] stays relevant for a long period of time, hopefully indefinitely.

[00:00:59] Things like focus, they’re never going to go out of style, not like a hot new language

[00:01:07] or something like that.

[00:01:08] Focus is a fundamental concept, a fundamental need in this industry and really in any industry.

[00:01:16] When we say focus, really what we’re talking about is the ability to stay in a single mindset,

[00:01:22] to stay on a single task or perhaps a single set of tasks long enough to see it through

[00:01:29] to be successful.

[00:01:29] Now, the reason why focus is so important is because when you don’t stay in that single

[00:01:35] mindset, you end up incurring a cost every time you switch your context, every time you

[00:01:41] switch to a new task or to a new thought, for example.

[00:01:45] And so a lot of research has been done on this.

[00:01:47] I’m not going to include it in the show notes because you can Google it and see a ton of

[00:01:52] articles around this idea that when you are interrupted or when your focus is disrupted,

[00:01:58] you lose a lot of focus.

[00:01:59] You lose a lot of time because we aren’t like computers.

[00:02:02] We can’t immediately switch to tasks, to other tasks with little to no overhead.

[00:02:08] We actually, it takes some time as humans.

[00:02:11] It takes some time to shift your brain into a new way of thinking.

[00:02:14] But it’s not just the big stuff.

[00:02:16] It’s not just the big interruptions that matter.

[00:02:19] Even the small stuff matters as well.

[00:02:21] So in today’s episode, we’re going to talk about ways that you can practice focus because

[00:02:27] just like any other skill.

[00:02:29] Focus takes practice.

[00:02:31] It takes time and effort and practice.

[00:02:34] You can’t just tell yourself one day that you’re going to start focusing better today.

[00:02:38] That’s not how it works.

[00:02:39] Your brain actually has to go through a process of change if you’re not used to focusing for

[00:02:44] longer than, say, five to 10 minutes.

[00:02:46] So these are some practical tips, some things that you can do each and every day at work

[00:02:52] that will hopefully help your focus.

[00:02:54] They’ll hopefully either create an environment where focus is more possible,

[00:02:58] or they will help bolster your mental ability to focus.

[00:03:04] So I want to jump straight in.

[00:03:06] We’ll talk about one of these tips.

[00:03:07] Then we’ll talk about our sponsor, Hired.com.

[00:03:10] And we’ll finish up with the last two tips.

[00:03:13] The first one is kind of a rehash of what we’ve already talked about in the past.

[00:03:18] And that is to reduce the inbound flow of communications.

[00:03:22] This is to your inbox, to your phone, to anything that you have around you.

[00:03:28] Even.

[00:03:28] Your physical inbound flow of communications.

[00:03:32] And there’s many ways to do this.

[00:03:34] You can turn off your push notifications on all of your devices.

[00:03:39] You can put in headphones, for example, to reduce the inbound flow of communications

[00:03:44] around you, quite literally.

[00:03:47] That also helps block out distractions, obviously.

[00:03:50] Hopefully, you know these kinds of things that if you put in headphones,

[00:03:53] then you don’t hear people leaving the room, or you don’t hear other conversations around

[00:03:58] you.

[00:03:58] There have been some studies to show that if you hear talking in the background,

[00:04:03] your brain is trying to process those verbal signals, even though you aren’t necessarily

[00:04:07] consciously trying to do that.

[00:04:09] So putting in headphones, that helps reduce the inbound flow of communications.

[00:04:14] But all of this centers around this idea that you need to understand to really understand

[00:04:20] why you should do this.

[00:04:21] That is, the most important thing you need to know is that interruptions in focus are

[00:04:26] incredibly costly.

[00:04:27] Thus, there are.

[00:04:28] There are really only two ways you can go about responding to the problem.

[00:04:32] Number one, you can cut the number of distractions that you experience.

[00:04:37] In other words, you can turn down the volume on all of those distractions by putting in

[00:04:42] headphones, turning off those alerts.

[00:04:45] Or number two, you can practice ignoring those distractions.

[00:04:49] Unfortunately, a lot of the distractions that we have, though, they come through the same

[00:04:53] channels as the things that we don’t want to consider distractions.

[00:04:58] For example, email for many people is incredibly important.

[00:05:03] The people around you, your co-workers, your family, those people are important.

[00:05:08] And if you aren’t careful, you’ll start treating the things that are important the same way

[00:05:13] you treat the daily newsletter that you never read.

[00:05:16] You always mark it as read in your inbox.

[00:05:18] You don’t want to do that to an email from your boss, or you don’t want to do that to

[00:05:24] a family member who’s trying to talk to you.

[00:05:26] You don’t want to dismiss them without.

[00:05:28] You don’t want to dismiss them without giving them the time of day, because those are the

[00:05:30] things that are important.

[00:05:31] Those are the things that should have your attention at the right times.

[00:05:36] So I recommend you cut the number of emails that are sent to your inbox recurrently to

[00:05:40] as close to zero as possible.

[00:05:43] The emails that end up in your inbox, each and every one of those, if you’re doing email

[00:05:49] right, each one of those should be worth your time.

[00:05:52] That means stop having those alerts from GitHub sent to you.

[00:05:58] Every time somebody comments on some project that you weren’t even watching anymore, stop

[00:06:02] having all of your Slack messages sent to you in email, and all of your Twitter DMs sent

[00:06:07] to you in email.

[00:06:08] A lot of that stuff you don’t even end up reading, and a lot of it is not really necessary

[00:06:13] to be in your email inbox.

[00:06:15] And a lot of it just serves as distraction.

[00:06:17] So cut those things out.

[00:06:19] An easy way of doing this, by the way, is to use this product called unroll.me.

[00:06:24] They are in no way affiliated with the show.

[00:06:26] They haven’t sponsored us at all.

[00:06:27] They haven’t sponsored us at all.

[00:06:27] They haven’t sponsored us at all.

[00:06:27] They haven’t sponsored us at all.

[00:06:27] They haven’t sponsored us at all.

[00:06:27] They haven’t sponsored us at all.

[00:06:28] Use this product a few times.

[00:06:29] Works very well.

[00:06:30] Unroll.me, of course, that’ll be in the show notes.

[00:06:33] Another way is to only allow notifications to come to your phone if it is an emergency.

[00:06:40] If the notification, for example, is coming from your server, if you use an app like Pushover,

[00:06:45] for example, you can get a notification from your server if you’re experiencing a high

[00:06:51] number of 500 errors or something like that on your server.

[00:06:54] So what you want to do is reduce this inflow.

[00:06:57] That way, the things that are important can stay important because those channels are going to stay there regardless.

[00:07:06] You’re going to be using email for the foreseeable future, and you want to be able to pay attention to the ones that matter.

[00:07:14] You want to be able to pay attention to the people that matter.

[00:07:17] So when you are spending time with people and when you are reading your inbox, treat them as important.

[00:07:23] And the only way to treat your inbox as important and the time that you spend with people,

[00:07:27] as important, is to remove the stuff, remove the emails that are coming in that aren’t important.

[00:07:35] Remove the distractions from your physical world that aren’t important.

[00:07:41] I want to take a quick minute to talk about today’s sponsor, Hired.com.

[00:07:45] On Hired, software engineers and designers can get five or more interview requests in a single week.

[00:07:51] Each offer has salary and equity up front.

[00:07:54] They have full-time and contract opportunities.

[00:07:57] As a user, you can view these interview requests before you ever even talk to the company.

[00:08:04] They work with 3,000 companies, by the way, from startups to large public companies that have been around for a long time,

[00:08:10] in 13 major tech hubs in North America and Europe.

[00:08:13] So if you are in North America and you want to move to Europe or vice versa,

[00:08:18] then this is a way of finding a job in a place where you’ve never even been before.

[00:08:23] If you get a job through Hired, by the way, they give a $2,000.

[00:08:26] Thank you bonus automatically.

[00:08:29] That’s just something that Hired does for developers who get a job through their system.

[00:08:33] But if you use the special link that Hired has given to Developer T listeners,

[00:08:37] which is Hired.com slash Developer T, if you use that special link, that bonus goes to $4,000.

[00:08:44] That’s a doubled bonus when you accept a job through Hired.com.

[00:08:48] So go and check it out, Hired.com slash Developer T.

[00:08:52] And of course, that link will be included in the show notes at spec.ifm.

[00:08:56] Thank you again to Hired for sponsoring today’s episode.

[00:09:00] So let’s jump straight back in to talking about focus.

[00:09:03] By the way, you might notice that my voice is a little bit scratchy.

[00:09:07] Unfortunately, I’ve been sick for a few days, but the show must go on.

[00:09:11] I have to keep on doing the show for you guys.

[00:09:13] This show airs three times per week.

[00:09:16] And I was lucky enough that last year, I think I may have gotten sick only once.

[00:09:21] And this year, luckily, my voice was gone for a few days.

[00:09:24] I got a little bit nervous.

[00:09:26] But it’s back.

[00:09:26] It’s back enough for me to record today’s episode for you.

[00:09:29] So forgive the slightly nasally sound of today’s episode.

[00:09:33] Let’s jump straight back in to talking about focus.

[00:09:35] The first point was to reduce the inbound flow of communications to every channel that you listen to,

[00:09:42] whether that’s your inbox, your phone, even your TV or your mailbox at home, your physical mailbox.

[00:09:48] Reduce the amount of communications.

[00:09:50] Reduce the amount of distractions that come in through those various channels.

[00:09:56] Number two, the second tip that I have for you today is to turn off your mouse while you are coding.

[00:10:04] Turn off your mouse while you are coding.

[00:10:06] Now, this may seem a little bit antithetical.

[00:10:09] It may seem a little bit weird that turning something off is going to help you be more functional.

[00:10:16] And it really, it does seem that way when you think about it.

[00:10:20] It seems like you need to have all of the available tools in front of you.

[00:10:24] I actually took this idea from a few people.

[00:10:26] And it’s an idea that I personally have experimented with in the past year using Vim,

[00:10:33] using an editor that allows you to stay near your keyboard or purely on your keyboard the entire day.

[00:10:40] This does require that you have a workflow that allows you to run tests, for example,

[00:10:46] or switch between applications.

[00:10:48] If you’re a web developer, you’ll probably switch to your browser every once in a while.

[00:10:53] So this requires that you work on that workflow.

[00:10:57] That you develop that workflow.

[00:10:58] And that you have the proper macros, the shortcuts in your mind and under your fingers.

[00:11:04] You will be surprised at how this will impact your productivity.

[00:11:10] Have a good understanding of these key bindings.

[00:11:12] And having a good understanding of the shortcuts should really be a major part of your job as a developer.

[00:11:19] This year, for example, if you save just 50 keystrokes per hour for every working day,

[00:11:24] that’s 140,000 keystrokes.

[00:11:26] This year, 140 keystrokes is approximately 27,000 words if you use that 5.1 letters per word average

[00:11:36] in the English language.

[00:11:38] Of course, you can’t equate that necessarily to writing.

[00:11:41] But even if we’re just talking about words per minute,

[00:11:44] that’s about 540 minutes saved over the course of a year.

[00:11:48] So turning off your mouse will encourage you to create shortcuts.

[00:11:52] I would encourage you to invest some time over a weekend or,

[00:11:56] maybe after work one day, to get your environment on your computer

[00:12:00] to where anything you do multiple times per day is as streamlined as much as possible

[00:12:06] and relies primarily on keyboard shortcuts.

[00:12:10] There’s a lot of reasons why you are going to be faster on a keyboard than you will be with a mouse.

[00:12:16] Perhaps the most important one, though, is that you can be much more precise with your keyboard

[00:12:23] than you can be with a mouse.

[00:12:25] Not to mention the fact that you can be much more precise with your keyboard than you can be with a mouse.

[00:12:26] The fact that a mouse requires a position on the screen to function properly

[00:12:32] and to perform a particular function.

[00:12:35] With a keyboard, you have so many options.

[00:12:38] Key bindings and shortcuts provide such power

[00:12:41] and they don’t require you to be in a particular position.

[00:12:45] That is the fundamental concept of a mouse.

[00:12:48] You’re pointing and clicking and the mouse really only has a few functions

[00:12:51] that it can perform in a given action.

[00:12:54] The way that those functions are mapped,

[00:12:56] are literally in space on your screen,

[00:12:59] whereas functions being mapped in space on a keyboard

[00:13:02] are much faster to accomplish.

[00:13:05] And so you’re going to be much more dexterous

[00:13:08] when you’re using a keyboard versus when you are using a mouse

[00:13:11] to perform various functions.

[00:13:14] A natural part of this move will likely be

[00:13:16] that you will learn some things about the command line.

[00:13:19] If you are a developer,

[00:13:20] then you probably will end up learning more about the command line

[00:13:23] if you stick to using your keyboard,

[00:13:26] for most of the day.

[00:13:28] So tip number two, once again,

[00:13:30] is to turn off your mouse while you are coding.

[00:13:33] And in fact, you can probably turn off your mouse

[00:13:35] for a large portion of the day,

[00:13:37] not just while you are coding.

[00:13:39] This also, by the way,

[00:13:41] it’s going to be important that you know

[00:13:43] your system level shortcuts first.

[00:13:45] This is going to be the most important piece

[00:13:47] to making all of these things fit together.

[00:13:49] The glue, so to speak,

[00:13:51] to make all this stuff fit together.

[00:13:53] I use a tool on Mac

[00:13:55] called Alfred,

[00:13:56] Finder, actually,

[00:13:57] in the most recent versions of Mac OS.

[00:14:00] Finder has a similar trigger

[00:14:02] where it brings up kind of that Omni box

[00:14:04] in the middle of the screen.

[00:14:06] Of course, I’ll include links to these things in the show notes,

[00:14:09] but this is a very powerful function on Mac OS.

[00:14:13] There are similarly powerful features in other OSs,

[00:14:17] but I haven’t worked with them,

[00:14:19] so I’m not going to speak to them.

[00:14:21] Probably people online can tell you what they are

[00:14:24] better than I can.

[00:14:25] So,

[00:14:25] the idea here is to start doing things faster

[00:14:29] than you would with a mouse.

[00:14:31] Start learning the things that you need to learn

[00:14:33] with a keyboard

[00:14:35] to perform actions that otherwise would take

[00:14:37] significantly longer with the mouse.

[00:14:39] Now, my final tip is kind of a different one,

[00:14:43] and this is more of an experiment

[00:14:45] that I want you all to try with me this year.

[00:14:47] It’s not specifically related to any kind of research.

[00:14:50] It’s actually just something that I am trying out

[00:14:53] and that I think is really effective for me.

[00:14:55] And that is called post-lunch de-stressing.

[00:14:58] And this is a very simple thing that I’m trying out this year.

[00:15:02] Post-lunch de-stressing.

[00:15:04] All it is is thinking about one thing

[00:15:06] that is stressing you out right after lunch.

[00:15:09] Learn to evaluate how you’re feeling,

[00:15:12] your mental energy.

[00:15:13] Evaluate it right after lunch.

[00:15:15] Now, you shouldn’t spend your morning working on this thing

[00:15:18] that is stressing you out,

[00:15:19] because things that stress you out typically are reactive work.

[00:15:23] In the morning, you should do proactive work.

[00:15:25] Proactive work being things like moving features forward, for example.

[00:15:30] But in the afternoon,

[00:15:32] I have found that doing one or two things

[00:15:34] that reduce my stress level to a significant degree

[00:15:37] is very helpful for my mental clarity.

[00:15:40] So an example of this might include

[00:15:42] getting to inbox zero.

[00:15:43] This is hugely important to me now.

[00:15:45] Responding to a co-worker or client email,

[00:15:48] or finalizing a schedule.

[00:15:50] A lot of times, these things kind of hang over our heads.

[00:15:53] We don’t even realize that they’re hanging over our heads.

[00:15:55] Until we have finished them.

[00:15:58] Another one is cleaning off your desk,

[00:16:00] or taking out the trash from near your workspace.

[00:16:03] Something in the physical realm around you

[00:16:06] to help declutter the space around you.

[00:16:09] And another one may be paying a bill,

[00:16:11] or sending a few invoices.

[00:16:13] I know one for me is going to be

[00:16:15] going and renewing the registration on my car.

[00:16:18] So these are things that may or may not have anything

[00:16:21] directly to do with your work.

[00:16:23] And if you plan to do them right,

[00:16:25] right after lunch,

[00:16:26] that allows you to use part of your lunch break

[00:16:28] if it isn’t necessarily directly related to your work.

[00:16:32] These kinds of things may only take a few minutes.

[00:16:35] But the relief will help clarify

[00:16:37] the remainder of your day

[00:16:39] and the start for your tomorrow.

[00:16:42] And note that it may be a bit difficult to identify

[00:16:45] what is the most stressful item on your mind.

[00:16:48] Scientifically though, clutter creates stress

[00:16:51] even when it isn’t visible.

[00:16:53] So decluttering is a good place to start.

[00:16:55] Whether that is physical decluttering,

[00:16:57] like decluttering your desk or perhaps

[00:16:59] even a closet at home,

[00:17:01] taking some time running home

[00:17:03] and taking out the trash at your house.

[00:17:05] Smaller tasks can act as a mental clutter.

[00:17:08] And knocking them out or deciding to ignore them

[00:17:11] may make all the difference in the world

[00:17:13] to your stress levels.

[00:17:15] Not only today, but also in the days that follow.

[00:17:18] So try to de-stress yourself.

[00:17:21] Find the thing that is stressing you out the most.

[00:17:24] I do this exercise with my wife very often.

[00:17:27] When we’re at home on a weekend

[00:17:29] and we don’t have necessarily anything that we’ve planned to do,

[00:17:32] I ask her what is stressing her out the most.

[00:17:35] Whether that’s a cleaning project

[00:17:37] or perhaps it’s something that she needed to do

[00:17:40] that was left over from work the previous week.

[00:17:42] And then we find ourselves,

[00:17:44] once we finish that particular thing,

[00:17:46] we find ourselves more able to relax

[00:17:48] and more at peace.

[00:17:50] So I’d love for you to try out

[00:17:52] this post-lunch de-stressing with me

[00:17:55] here at the beginning of the year in 2016.

[00:17:58] So to review, our first tip was

[00:18:02] to reduce the inbound flow of communications

[00:18:05] to your inbox, your phone,

[00:18:07] and also to the physical space around you.

[00:18:10] Number two was to turn off your mouse.

[00:18:12] Try turning off your mouse while you are working.

[00:18:15] And the final one is post-lunch de-stressing.

[00:18:19] Figuring out what is stressing you out the most

[00:18:21] right after lunch

[00:18:23] and trying to eliminate that thing,

[00:18:25] especially if it’s a small task

[00:18:27] or a few small tasks that you can do

[00:18:29] in just a few minutes.

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[00:18:39] these things that you can try out

[00:18:41] to help increase your focus levels.

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