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Scott & Mark Learn To… Second Brain

Summary

Scott Hanselman e Mark Russinovich exploram o conceito de “Segundo Cérebro” e como organizam suas vidas profissionais e pessoais. Mark revela seu método surpreendentemente simples: um caderno espiral de papel dividido em duas colunas (trabalho e casa), onde anota tarefas efêmeras e descarta as páginas após o uso, enquanto Scott utiliza um tablet reMarkable para anotações digitais e o OneNote para armazenar links, artigos e exemplos de alucinações de IA. Eles discutem a carga cognitiva de manter informações na cabeça e como externalizar tarefas permite “dormir como um bebê”, liberando a mente para outras atividades.

A conversa evolui para a natureza da procrastinação, com Mark admitindo ser um procrastinador profissional, mas argumentando que esse tempo de “espera” permite que seu cérebro processe problemas em segundo plano, enquanto Scott descreve seu processo criativo como incluir momentos de pânico controlado antes de apresentações. Ambos concordam que não existe um sistema perfeito universal, mas sim a necessidade de encontrar ferramentas que funcionem para o indivíduo, sejam elas sofisticadas bases de conhecimento digitais ou simples listas de papel.

Além dos cadernos, os hosts enfatizam a importância crucial do calendário compartilhado como a ferramenta definitiva para reduzir o “peso psíquico” de compromissos, além de recursos pouco utilizados como lembretes baseados em localização (geo-fenced) no iPhone. Eles refletem brevemente sobre como estudantes de doutorado organizam pesquisas atualmente e mencionam museus de história da computação, concluindo que, na prática, não possuem um “segundo cérebro” único e perfeito, mas sim uma hierarquia de sistemas: papel para tarefas imediatas, OneNote para referências e o calendário como fonte da verdade para agendamentos.

Recommendations

Books

  • Getting Things Done — Livro de David Allen sobre produtividade pessoal, mencionado como referência clássica para organização de tarefas

Tools / Software

  • reMarkable — Tablet com tela e-ink usado por Scott para fazer anotações digitais que são sincronizadas na nuvem
  • OneNote — Aplicativo da Microsoft usado por Scott para coletar links, artigos e capturas de tela de alucinações de IA
  • Obsidian — Mencionado como exemplo de sistema complexo de gestão do conhecimento usado por outros para organizar informações
  • Notion — Outro exemplo citado de ferramenta de base de conhecimento hierárquica usada por estudantes de doutorado
  • Copilot — Assistente de IA da Microsoft discutido inicialmente para sugerir novos temas para o podcast
  • Lembretes do iPhone (Siri) — Recurso de geo-fencing mencionado por Scott para criar lembretes baseados em localização física

Other

  • Living Computer Museum — Museu de computação histórica em Tukwila/Seattle mencionado pelos hosts
  • Computer History Museum — Museu de história da computação localizado em São Francisco
  • MIMS (Roswell, Georgia) — Museu mencionado que abriga parte da coleção de computadores históricos, incluindo supercomputadores Cray

Topic Timeline

  • [00:00:00] — Abertura com discussão sobre usar IA (Copilot) para sugerir novos temas para o podcast
  • [00:01:08] — Início do tema principal: como os hosts organizam informações e o conceito de “Segundo Cérebro”
  • [00:02:12] — Mark revela seu método simples usando um caderno espiral de papel com colunas para trabalho e casa
  • [00:03:53] — Discussão sobre procrastinação como forma de processamento mental em segundo plano
  • [00:06:44] — Scott mostra cadernos antigos de 2007 e debate sobre guardar versus descartar anotações
  • [00:07:58] — Apresentação do tablet reMarkable usado por Scott para anotações digitais
  • [00:09:38] — Uso do OneNote para armazenar links, artigos e capturas de alucinações de IA
  • [00:13:57] — A importância do calendário compartilhado como ferramenta essencial para reduzir carga cognitiva
  • [00:15:05] — Explicação sobre lembretes baseados em localização (geo-fenced) no iPhone usando Siri
  • [00:17:58] — Menção a museus de computação histórica (Living Computer Museum, CHM e MIMS)
  • [00:18:27] — Conclusão: não existe um “segundo cérebro” perfeito, apenas uma hierarquia de ferramentas

Episode Info

  • Podcast: Scott & Mark Learn To…
  • Author: Microsoft
  • Category: Technology / Education / How To / Business / Careers
  • Published: 2025-11-12
  • Duration: 0h19m

References

Podcast Info

Transcript

[00:00:00] Can you ask co-pilot what we should talk about?

[00:00:02] Have it look at our podcast and say what should they talk about next?

[00:00:08] Doesn’t this literally mean that this is the dearth of creativity,

[00:00:10] what you’re just describing?

[00:00:12] Are we just giving it up right now?

[00:00:16] I’m cognitively dead.

[00:00:17] So I was talking to my buddy Mark,

[00:00:19] and he says that he’s cognitively dead, period.

[00:00:22] Take a look at this playlist and all of our shows and our podcasts,

[00:00:26] specifically the topics as listed in

[00:00:28] the titles and the descriptions, comma,

[00:00:30] and suggest five new shows that we could talk about, period.

[00:00:33] We do well as an AI show,

[00:00:35] comma, but we’re thinking that we might not want to get pigeonholed, period.

[00:00:39] What are some other things we can chat about on

[00:00:41] the Scott and Mark Learn To podcast, question mark.

[00:00:44] I don’t think this is the old transcriptionist style dictation you need to do, period.

[00:00:50] That’s how I do it, period.

[00:00:52] It works extremely well, exclamation point.

[00:00:54] You need to, period.

[00:00:55] I don’t like inferred commas.

[00:00:58] I think, why not, question mark.

[00:01:08] So Mark, people ask me all the time,

[00:01:12] how do you know that? How do you keep up on this?

[00:01:13] How do you keep track of stuff?

[00:01:16] It used to be a todo.txt file on my desktop.

[00:01:20] It used to be sticky notes.

[00:01:21] Well, is that to keep track of what you’re doing or to remember things?

[00:01:26] Like, remember long-term.

[00:01:28] Long-term memory.

[00:01:30] Really?

[00:01:31] Give me an example.

[00:01:34] Okay. So there’s all these little moments where in executive function,

[00:01:41] and not executive being in charge of something,

[00:01:43] but being an adult human, pay a bill,

[00:01:46] take your pills, pick up the milk at the store.

[00:01:49] Don’t forget to call so-and-so.

[00:01:51] Remind me that Amanda told me to write a paper.

[00:01:54] Mark said to work on this thing over the weekend,

[00:01:57] because he’s a stern taskmaster.

[00:01:59] Like all the different things that one has to do in order to like.

[00:02:01] That’s to-do.

[00:02:03] But there’s to-do lists.

[00:02:04] There’s the article I read on Hacker News.

[00:02:06] There’s links. There’s like,

[00:02:08] some people have really big obsidians,

[00:02:10] or really big notions, or really big loops.

[00:02:12] Do you have a second brain?

[00:02:14] Do you have a place where all things go a single location?

[00:02:16] I generally do this.

[00:02:18] Piece of paper.

[00:02:19] Yes. But this is just to-do.

[00:02:21] This is just like, here are the.

[00:02:24] And by the way, I mean, many, many studies show

[00:02:27] that offloading to a list like this,

[00:02:30] either on computer or paper,

[00:02:34] is a huge savings and tax on your brain.

[00:02:36] And you refer to it after the fact.

[00:02:38] Because some people say just it’s the act of offloading,

[00:02:40] but no one ever looks at their notes.

[00:02:42] Or you.

[00:02:43] Because they’ll check it off,

[00:02:43] and there’s like a sense of like completion.

[00:02:46] I’ve accomplished this, I’m being productive,

[00:02:49] which you might not recognize if you’re not checking it off,

[00:02:53] if you’re actually just doing it,

[00:02:54] and then going, okay, next thing.

[00:02:56] But being able to check it off,

[00:02:57] there’s this sense of accomplishment.

[00:03:00] Do you have just that one spiral notebook?

[00:03:04] Or do you have dozens of different mediums?

[00:03:06] No, just this.

[00:03:07] And I mean, you can see that it’s like.

[00:03:13] Okay, so that’s the kind of classic

[00:03:16] David Allen, getting things done,

[00:03:18] and have one source of truth for all things,

[00:03:21] and keep it open all the time,

[00:03:22] and available all the time.

[00:03:24] It’s informal too.

[00:03:25] It’s not like I’m not totally,

[00:03:28] completely rigorous about it.

[00:03:29] It’s just when I feel like,

[00:03:30] okay, I’ve got like six things now

[00:03:32] I need to keep track of what I’m doing.

[00:03:34] Let me write them down,

[00:03:35] and then let me like pick off the easy one,

[00:03:39] and then go to the harder one.

[00:03:40] And then, and just having them listed

[00:03:44] without the checks next to them,

[00:03:46] makes me wanna go do them,

[00:03:47] because I’m normally a procrastinator.

[00:03:49] That’s a surprising thing to hear about you.

[00:03:51] Yeah.

[00:03:52] I don’t get procrastinator vibes off of you.

[00:03:53] I am an incredible procrastinator,

[00:03:56] but I found it served me well.

[00:03:57] And because I’ve studied this for a long time,

[00:03:59] like why am I waiting for the last minute for this?

[00:04:01] Like now I’m in.

[00:04:02] Well, because eventually it’ll go away,

[00:04:02] and now you don’t have to do it.

[00:04:04] No, actually.

[00:04:05] For the things that you know won’t go away,

[00:04:07] I still wait till the last minute,

[00:04:08] or close to the last minute,

[00:04:09] but you know why I do.

[00:04:11] Actually, I find that subconsciously I’m working on it,

[00:04:16] even if I’m not doing it.

[00:04:18] A background agent, perhaps?

[00:04:19] It is, like a background activity.

[00:04:21] And so when I go to sit down,

[00:04:23] it’s not like I’m starting fresh

[00:04:24] having not thought about it at all.

[00:04:27] That is a really great point,

[00:04:28] because there is true procrastination,

[00:04:30] which is avoidance.

[00:04:32] And then there’s just, I’m chewing on it.

[00:04:34] You know, it’s developing.

[00:04:35] Yeah, but it feels like avoidance to me.

[00:04:36] I mean, it is.

[00:04:37] The all-terror thing that we’ve been talking about,

[00:04:40] like I think there was a sense

[00:04:41] that I may be procrastinating,

[00:04:43] but it was always there,

[00:04:44] and I was always kind of coming up with it.

[00:04:46] Yeah.

[00:04:47] And then I did the talk in Portugal,

[00:04:48] and it went great.

[00:04:49] And some people were like,

[00:04:50] man, he just like flew the plane right into the mountain

[00:04:53] at the last minute.

[00:04:54] It went, pull up, pull up.

[00:04:55] But I felt like I was ruminating.

[00:04:57] I was luxuriating in the idea,

[00:04:59] and then I was ready for it.

[00:05:00] And then the pressure that it was coming next week.

[00:05:03] Yeah.

[00:05:04] Well, that’s the other thing too is,

[00:05:05] you build up, you’re thinking also,

[00:05:08] how much effort is this gonna take?

[00:05:10] Is this like 20 minutes?

[00:05:11] Is it two hours?

[00:05:13] Because that way you’re preparing for the,

[00:05:16] okay, so this thing is really gonna take me three hours

[00:05:19] of my time.

[00:05:20] Let me just build up the stamina,

[00:05:22] and okay, here I go.

[00:05:24] Rather than I start it,

[00:05:26] and I’m like, well, this is taking me way longer

[00:05:27] than I thought, and I need to step back

[00:05:29] and think about if I’m doing the right thing.

[00:05:31] So that’s part of the reason

[00:05:32] that I think I procrastinate.

[00:05:34] But, and like I said,

[00:05:35] there’s some stress to it too,

[00:05:37] but then I’m like, I know this will work out.

[00:05:39] I’ve done this my whole life.

[00:05:41] Okay.

[00:05:42] So this is a great point.

[00:05:42] So we’re of a certain age

[00:05:44] where this is not new information about ourselves, right?

[00:05:47] We’re like, people know that panic

[00:05:51] is part of my process.

[00:05:52] Yeah.

[00:05:53] You’ve been backstage with me while I panic,

[00:05:56] and now it’s just like-

[00:05:57] It’s not pretty.

[00:05:57] It’s not pretty.

[00:05:58] It’s not a panic.

[00:05:59] You’re filming.

[00:06:00] Let this man freak out because, you know,

[00:06:04] it’s gonna be fun.

[00:06:05] I like to have your episode, you know,

[00:06:06] I step away, stay out of your arms reach.

[00:06:11] And it’s like, it’s a low key panic.

[00:06:13] It’s a lowercase P panic.

[00:06:16] Cause not a panic attack.

[00:06:17] It’s just like, yeah.

[00:06:19] And then it’s like, I know it’ll be fine

[00:06:21] cause I’ve done it before.

[00:06:22] And you build that sense of yourself.

[00:06:24] So like once you have a system that works, go with it.

[00:06:26] And I think that’s an important thing to note

[00:06:28] is that when you’re younger or you’re earlier in career,

[00:06:31] try different stuff.

[00:06:32] Maybe it’s a spiral notebook.

[00:06:34] Maybe it’s a text file.

[00:06:35] Maybe it’s freaking Git.

[00:06:36] There’s always somebody who’s got their to-do list

[00:06:38] in Git, but as long as you try a system

[00:06:41] until you find the-

[00:06:42] Like to-do list.

[00:06:44] God.

[00:06:44] I’ve got the, that remarkable, the E Ink thing.

[00:06:48] I’ve shown you that before.

[00:06:49] Yeah, you showed it to me.

[00:06:49] Yeah.

[00:06:50] The thing you’ve got though, it’s a little big.

[00:06:52] It’s not like the little notebook that like a report,

[00:06:56] an old-timey reporter would have like,

[00:06:58] how do you manage non-work stuff?

[00:07:01] Cause that doesn’t look like something that works.

[00:07:02] That doesn’t go anywhere but the desk, right?

[00:07:05] Left column is work.

[00:07:06] Right column is home.

[00:07:09] Okay.

[00:07:09] You see there’s a line down the middle in this notebook.

[00:07:11] This, by the way, it’s not like I went in like shocked.

[00:07:14] Oh, where’s the notebook for this?

[00:07:16] This is a notebook that you get

[00:07:17] in the Microsoft’s stock room on every floor.

[00:07:22] Like they’ve got-

[00:07:22] You’ve stolen awful supplies is what I’m hearing.

[00:07:25] It’s there for us to steal.

[00:07:30] So, okay.

[00:07:31] This, but it’s large though is the point I’m making.

[00:07:34] If you’re at Kroger or Fred Meyer or whatever,

[00:07:36] you’re not, you don’t have that.

[00:07:38] What do you do about on the move ideas?

[00:07:39] Oh, I know.

[00:07:40] Yeah.

[00:07:42] I can just wait and do it.

[00:07:43] Like I said, it’s not like I’m super formal about this.

[00:07:46] It’s-

[00:07:47] Okay.

[00:07:48] It seems pretty formal cause you’ve got a pile of stuff.

[00:07:50] This is probably a year.

[00:07:52] Yeah.

[00:07:53] Cause I’ve got over here in my off.

[00:07:57] There we go.

[00:07:58] I know you’ve got your whole history there.

[00:08:00] I know you-

[00:08:01] Yeah. I’ve got like a couple of years.

[00:08:03] Yeah.

[00:08:03] But then I switched to the remarkable.

[00:08:05] I throw them away after I’m, I mean, they’re just,

[00:08:07] and by the way-

[00:08:08] You throw them away.

[00:08:09] You throw them away.

[00:08:10] Yeah.

[00:08:11] I also go back and I’m like, I don’t even know.

[00:08:13] I can’t even read my writing.

[00:08:16] Dude, you throw them away.

[00:08:18] I just looked at mine, Mix 2007.

[00:08:22] That’s pretty incredible.

[00:08:23] So that’s like your diary, I guess.

[00:08:25] Yeah, I get, but this is not sophisticated.

[00:08:28] Like .NET 4.0.

[00:08:31] It’s like .NET 4.0, 10 minutes.

[00:08:34] Like remember how we, you and I do our talks,

[00:08:36] like 10 minutes, 20 minutes, 30 minutes.

[00:08:38] So like demo demo point.

[00:08:42] Like, look at this.

[00:08:43] It says OData, right?

[00:08:45] So like demo with Pablo Castro.

[00:08:50] And then it’s like using MEF with WPF4.

[00:08:53] And a framework.

[00:08:54] I remember that.

[00:08:55] Yeah, it’s CLR4 in process.

[00:09:00] Oh my God.

[00:09:00] Web forms versus MVC.

[00:09:02] Yeah, you’re having major flashback here.

[00:09:06] I am.

[00:09:08] And like, I don’t know what I’m doing.

[00:09:09] I don’t know what is going on here.

[00:09:12] When do you, but I don’t know what that is.

[00:09:16] What were you gonna say?

[00:09:17] When do I what?

[00:09:19] I have time to even look back at this.

[00:09:21] I mean, I’m just like.

[00:09:21] Well now on the show, right?

[00:09:23] Here’s me at a meeting with Bill Staples

[00:09:26] talking about PHP versus plan nine.

[00:09:31] Just page after page after page of stuff like this.

[00:09:35] You throw them away.

[00:09:36] The other thing that I do, by the way,

[00:09:38] for sometimes, for collecting links,

[00:09:40] although it’s just hard to be, to keep them organized.

[00:09:44] Like funny links.

[00:09:48] I’ll throw them into OneNote.

[00:09:49] Like I have AI hallucinations,

[00:09:52] like where I just toss the hallucinations

[00:09:54] that I encounter using AI.

[00:09:56] So the ones that we have in our Teams chat,

[00:09:58] are those being double double pasted

[00:10:00] into both the Teams chat and OneNote?

[00:10:01] A lot of them are, yeah.

[00:10:02] The ones that I’m.

[00:10:03] So there’s AI hallucinations,

[00:10:05] so there’s gonna be chat bots.

[00:10:06] But there’s the coding ones.

[00:10:09] I’ve actually got a folder in OneNote with the project.

[00:10:14] And then I’ve got the AI craziness screenshots

[00:10:18] for that project, which is now,

[00:10:22] you know, multiple dozen examples and growing.

[00:10:24] You know, I do that.

[00:10:25] But then I’ve also got like, you know,

[00:10:28] what’s going on with safety

[00:10:32] and transformers or jail breaks.

[00:10:33] I’ll throw in to a OneNote page, links to papers.

[00:10:37] I keep trying to wish that I was organized enough

[00:10:39] to have like an obsidian database or a OneNote.

[00:10:42] Like I see people with like these exquisitely organized,

[00:10:46] you know, hierarchical tree view type knowledge bases.

[00:10:50] Like, you know, the way that people,

[00:10:52] I don’t know if you know about this,

[00:10:52] but the way that people do their PhDs now in like 2025

[00:10:56] are very much throw everything

[00:10:58] into a hierarchical tree based thing.

[00:11:00] It’ll generate the citations and everything.

[00:11:03] Like knowledge based systems are a common thing now.

[00:11:07] But for me, this is a 10 year old blog.

[00:11:11] When I get stressed out, I synchronize to paper.

[00:11:15] I’ve been doing this for 20 years,

[00:11:16] but I still feel like maybe I should do better

[00:11:20] and that I deserve a central synchronized super OneNote.

[00:11:26] And I keep coming down to paper.

[00:11:28] With any of these things,

[00:11:29] there’s effort in the return

[00:11:31] on that investment of the effort.

[00:11:34] Like you would get it

[00:11:35] because I have not gone to anything organized

[00:11:38] and I’m not worried about it

[00:11:39] just because that requires effort.

[00:11:42] You got to be consistent about it.

[00:11:43] Yep.

[00:11:44] And then what’s the value you’re getting?

[00:11:46] Like, are you getting the return

[00:11:47] on that time you’re spending?

[00:11:49] Well, the thing is that people always,

[00:11:50] the argument that people always make

[00:11:51] is that it’s not searchable.

[00:11:53] And I would argue it hasn’t needed to be searchable.

[00:11:56] So why bother?

[00:11:58] What do you mean?

[00:11:59] I’m saying that you can’t search.

[00:12:01] You can peruse, you can browse,

[00:12:02] you can explore your notebook,

[00:12:05] but you can’t search it.

[00:12:06] Oh, you mean the paper one?

[00:12:07] Yeah.

[00:12:08] Well, I don’t need to because this is so ephemeral.

[00:12:09] Okay.

[00:12:10] Because I’m not putting in the links in there.

[00:12:13] So the links live in OneNote

[00:12:15] and your to-dos live in?

[00:12:18] Paper.

[00:12:19] In paper.

[00:12:20] And you never need to search for your…

[00:12:22] No.

[00:12:23] You never search your notes.

[00:12:25] No.

[00:12:25] Okay.

[00:12:27] So you need to…

[00:12:28] In fact, one thing that I do

[00:12:28] is if I haven’t finished something

[00:12:30] that’s in the to-do list,

[00:12:32] I’ll just make a horizontal line

[00:12:34] to represent the current to-do list

[00:12:37] and I’ll just copy the thing

[00:12:39] that I haven’t finished to the new one.

[00:12:40] Okay.

[00:12:41] The tool that I’ve been using

[00:12:43] with the remarkable e-ink thing,

[00:12:48] it synchronizes all of your stuff.

[00:12:51] So like where I’m speaking,

[00:12:55] Taekwondo, Hyeong’s, my TED Talk,

[00:12:59] a file you sent me about billionaires

[00:13:02] writing high-performance .NET code,

[00:13:04] like all this stuff.

[00:13:06] I think I was doing,

[00:13:08] I don’t know what I was doing here,

[00:13:09] some statistical thing,

[00:13:12] like random math calculations.

[00:13:18] Why were you doing that for?

[00:13:20] Probably helping my son with the SATs.

[00:13:22] Like this was like two weeks ago.

[00:13:26] But you don’t remember.

[00:13:27] I don’t, but this is…

[00:13:29] There you go.

[00:13:30] And I don’t remember

[00:13:31] because I don’t think I’ve realized

[00:13:35] how much I have offloaded stuff.

[00:13:39] Yeah.

[00:13:39] I think the reason that I sleep like a baby

[00:13:42] is that once it’s written down,

[00:13:44] I can sleep again.

[00:13:46] You know what I mean?

[00:13:47] Yeah.

[00:13:48] That’s so important.

[00:13:50] That goes to why it’s such a cognitive load off

[00:13:53] when you just write down your to-do list.

[00:13:55] Yeah, yeah.

[00:13:57] I have noticed with my kids

[00:13:58] that they are not yet using calendars.

[00:14:01] And I would say if there’s one thing

[00:14:03] that takes the cognitive load off for me,

[00:14:05] what I call the psychic weight,

[00:14:07] it’s not the piece of paper,

[00:14:08] it’s not the to-do list,

[00:14:09] it’s not the remarkable,

[00:14:10] it’s the freaking calendar.

[00:14:12] Like I’ve had tiny lowercase a arguments

[00:14:14] with my wife about like,

[00:14:15] what are we doing this day or whatever?

[00:14:17] She’s like, it’s on the calendar,

[00:14:18] but she forgot to invite me.

[00:14:20] Yeah.

[00:14:21] And it’s like, well, that didn’t exist.

[00:14:21] That’s not a thing.

[00:14:22] Yeah, I think every partner’s…

[00:14:27] We’re not going anywhere.

[00:14:28] Cause I don’t know,

[00:14:29] I’ve never heard of that thing, you know?

[00:14:31] Well, I mentioned it to you,

[00:14:32] it’s not on the calendar, so.

[00:14:34] Oh, so many arguments can be solved

[00:14:37] by simply having a shared calendar with your spouse.

[00:14:40] So true.

[00:14:41] Oh my goodness.

[00:14:43] Trying to get the boys to do that

[00:14:45] has been really challenging.

[00:14:46] Only now the 20 year old in college

[00:14:47] has started to use the calendar

[00:14:49] as an authoritative thing.

[00:14:51] But it’s, I think that’s a thing that happens

[00:14:53] when you’re 30.

[00:14:54] It’s a thing you can’t keep it all in your head anymore

[00:14:55] or when it becomes too taxing.

[00:14:57] You know, I can keep a few things and cruise around.

[00:15:00] I can’t keep anything in my head anymore.

[00:15:03] Yeah.

[00:15:04] Another thing that I really liked

[00:15:05] that I don’t think gets used enough,

[00:15:07] I think I’ve told you about this,

[00:15:09] was geo-fenced reminders.

[00:15:12] Have you ever used these on the iPhone?

[00:15:14] No.

[00:15:15] Oh, dude.

[00:15:16] So you say, remind me the next time

[00:15:18] I’m at Fred Meyer to buy milk.

[00:15:21] And then you throw it out there.

[00:15:22] You tell Siri and you throw it out there.

[00:15:24] And then the next time you enter the geo-fence,

[00:15:26] it’ll pop up.

[00:15:27] Whoa.

[00:15:28] I didn’t know that.

[00:15:29] Dude, it’s so good.

[00:15:31] You can go, remind me the next time I’m at work

[00:15:33] to call my boss.

[00:15:35] And then it says, oh, you don’t have a work

[00:15:37] listed on your contact card.

[00:15:38] So then you go and you put in your contact card,

[00:15:39] you put in work.

[00:15:40] And then the next time you say,

[00:15:42] remind me the next time I’m at Fred Meyer’s

[00:15:44] to buy milk.

[00:15:45] And then it pops up a thing.

[00:15:48] And now it says, when arriving, Fred Meyer.

[00:15:52] Yeah.

[00:15:52] Buy milk.

[00:15:53] Buy milk.

[00:15:54] Arriving, Fred Meyer.

[00:15:57] I didn’t have no idea.

[00:15:59] Built in, built in, built in.

[00:16:00] So you just hold the thing

[00:16:01] and it does the little sparkle.

[00:16:03] Wong.

[00:16:04] Wong.

[00:16:05] I love the Wong.

[00:16:06] Yeah.

[00:16:07] Those little bits of metadata,

[00:16:10] I find really, really delightful.

[00:16:12] And I feel like people don’t utilize that stuff enough.

[00:16:15] I go nuts with it.

[00:16:16] I love it.

[00:16:19] I just had to take insulin.

[00:16:20] My nose, my blood sugar’s high.

[00:16:22] Sorry.

[00:16:23] I am paying attention to you,

[00:16:24] but I’m also trying not to die.

[00:16:26] Mark and Scott learn about the awkward pause.

[00:16:28] I think we’ve drained this one.

[00:16:32] I think we’ve drained this one too.

[00:16:33] I just wonder,

[00:16:34] is this something that just everyone has to suffer with

[00:16:36] or did anyone teach us to do this stuff?

[00:16:39] Cause I was big into productivity for a time.

[00:16:40] I was doing taller and reading books.

[00:16:43] I never find those things useful.

[00:16:45] Thank you for grabbing on my life’s work.

[00:16:51] You probably had to do this when you got your PhD.

[00:16:53] How did you organize all the material?

[00:16:56] No, there wasn’t a lot of material to organize.

[00:16:58] Citations and references and all that kind of stuff.

[00:17:02] My wife is working on her PhD.

[00:17:03] I remember this was-

[00:17:04] Overwhelmed with citations.

[00:17:06] I think I put it on punch cards.

[00:17:08] No, I’m just kidding.

[00:17:09] I don’t.

[00:17:11] I’m going to get,

[00:17:13] makes me, I’m going to get down here into my office.

[00:17:15] Yeah.

[00:17:16] This is Mark Percentovich’s PhD thesis on punch card.

[00:17:21] You can get that,

[00:17:22] or you can also get the floppy edition.

[00:17:24] I’ve used those.

[00:17:25] I’ve also used punch cards.

[00:17:26] Have you?

[00:17:27] I have, you only use punch cards

[00:17:29] at the Living Computer Museum.

[00:17:31] But you never have to-

[00:17:32] I have made a single sided disc, double sided disc.

[00:17:34] Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:36] Which I think is an important skill

[00:17:37] for the young people to have.

[00:17:38] I just have a fond memory

[00:17:39] when I look at those floppies.

[00:17:44] Having my little case of floppy disc floppies

[00:17:48] and flip through.

[00:17:49] I think I told you,

[00:17:49] you’ve got to go to the Interim Computer Museum

[00:17:51] in Tukwila.

[00:17:52] Yeah.

[00:17:53] Well, I’ve been to it’s predecessor.

[00:17:55] Yeah, yeah.

[00:17:56] Well, that’s the place, man.

[00:17:58] There’s also the Computer History Museum

[00:18:00] in San Francisco.

[00:18:01] Yeah.

[00:18:02] And there’s also the MIMS in Roswell, Georgia.

[00:18:04] A lot of the cray is there

[00:18:06] and a lot of the bigger Paul Allen stuff

[00:18:08] is down in Roswell.

[00:18:10] Well, there was a cray,

[00:18:11] a piece of a cray at the Computer History Museum

[00:18:14] in Seattle too.

[00:18:14] I think it was,

[00:18:16] they took like 30 or 40 pieces

[00:18:18] and they split them

[00:18:19] between the Interim Computer Museum in Roswell

[00:18:21] and the MIMS in Roswell.

[00:18:23] Cool.

[00:18:24] Okay, well, this is a Scott and Mark learn

[00:18:27] about their own second brains.

[00:18:29] The question is then can we rag over them with AI

[00:18:33] or do we even need to?

[00:18:34] It sounds like we don’t need to.

[00:18:34] Give it to our interns, right?

[00:18:36] Give it to our interns

[00:18:37] so that they can hallucinate

[00:18:38] and tell us that we’re absolutely right.

[00:18:39] My next thing on the to-do list.

[00:18:41] Yeah.

[00:18:42] I think that’s, at some point,

[00:18:43] that’s what we’re all going to get.

[00:18:44] We’ll all have interns

[00:18:45] that will keep track of this kind of stuff.

[00:18:47] But it is funny that I have to tell

[00:18:50] and like, no, there is no true second brain right now.

[00:18:52] There’s just a hierarchy of brains.

[00:18:57] Cool.

[00:18:58] Well, that’s probably an episode.

[00:18:59] Not our finest hour,

[00:19:01] but I will take a note to do better next time.

[00:19:05] Yeah.

[00:19:07] All right.

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[00:19:09] and let us know in the comments

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[00:19:13] Let us know what you think of this

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[00:19:16] Yeah.

[00:19:17] And give us suggestions on topics, right?

[00:19:20] Like we’ve had some shows

[00:19:20] that were very much directly out of the comments, right?

[00:19:22] This show existed because that person said

[00:19:24] that would be a good idea for a show.

[00:19:26] And then other times it’s just like this,

[00:19:27] which is of questionable value.

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