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Scott & Mark Learn To… Where to get news?

Summary

Scott Hanselman e Mark Russinovich discutem suas estratégias para acompanhar notícias de tecnologia em meio à sobrecarga de informações. O episódio começa com Scott revelando que possui 57 mil posts não lidos em seu Feedly, herança da migração do Google Reader. Mark compartilha suas fontes principais, incluindo o agregador Techmeme (que acompanha desde 2007), The Verge para tecnologia consumer, e Hacker News (de forma seletiva). Ele destaca o crescimento de newsletters especializadas em IA como The Rundown AI, Superhuman, The Neuron e The Batch de Andrew Ng, refletindo sobre como as listas de e-mail se tornaram o “novo RSS”, migrando de um modelo distribuído de feeds para um centralizado de push via e-mail.

A conversa evolui para uma viagem nostálgica pelo arquivo digital dos apresentadores. Scott exibe sua antiga “Lista de Coisas Maravilhosas” (mailing list de 2001 com 80 mil inscritos no auge) e seu blog de 2003, enquanto Mark mostra a newsletter NTInternals da mesma época. O momento culmina quando Scott descobre acidentalmente um post de 2003 onde admitia que devia sua carreira a Mark, revelação que gera constrangimento e humor. O episódio termina com uma anedota sobre como Mark atualizou rapidamente o ZoomIt (ferramenta de apresentação da Sysinternals) para adicionar suavização de imagem, permitindo que Scott a usasse na turnê de IA da Microsoft.

Recommendations

Tools / Software

  • Feedly — Agregador RSS moderno mencionado como substituto do Google Reader
  • ZoomIt — Ferramenta da Sysinternals para zoom em apresentações, atualizada durante o episódio para suavização de pixels

Articles / Links

  • Techmeme — Agregador de notícias de negócios e tecnologia que Mark acompanha desde 2007
  • The Information — Site de notícias premium sobre tecnologia e negócios, acessível via assinatura corporativa da Microsoft
  • The Rundown AI — Newsletter diária gratuita sobre inteligência artificial mantida por uma equipe de cinco pessoas
  • Superhuman (newsletter) — Newsletter diária de IA mantida por Zain Khan
  • The Neuron — Newsletter e podcast sobre IA criados por Grant e Corey
  • The Batch — Newsletter quinzenal de Andrew Ng (deeplearning.ai) sobre deep learning

Topic Timeline

  • [00:00] — Scott revela ter 57 mil posts não lidos no Feedly após migrar do Google Reader
  • [00:30] — Discussão sobre o blog anônimo “Mini Microsoft” e sua identidade revelada
  • [01:00] — Mark cita Techmeme como sua principal fonte de notícias de tecnologia desde 2007
  • [01:37] — Menção ao The Verge para notícias consumer e uso esporádico do Hacker News
  • [02:00] — Apresentação do The Information e newsletters de IA como The Rundown AI
  • [03:00] — Debate sobre como newsletters substituíram o RSS como modelo de distribuição de conteúdo
  • [05:40] — Scott mostra sua mailing list “List of Wonderful Things” de 2001 com 33 mil inscritos
  • [07:30] — Exibição do blog de Scott de 2003 com posts técnicos antigos
  • [08:20] — Descoberta de post de 2003 onde Scott escreveu “devo minha carreira a você” para Mark
  • [10:10] — História sobre a atualização do ZoomIt para suavização de pixels na turnê de IA

Episode Info

  • Podcast: Scott & Mark Learn To…
  • Author: Microsoft
  • Category: Technology / Education / How To / Business / Careers
  • Published: 2025-12-03
  • Duration: 0h11m

References

Podcast Info

Transcript

[00:00:00] So when Google Reader went away,

[00:00:02] I exported my OPML file,

[00:00:05] the XML file that expresses all your RSS,

[00:00:08] and I sucked it into Feedly,

[00:00:10] and I’m looking in here for the first time,

[00:00:14] and I have 57,000 unread blog posts.

[00:00:19] Wow.

[00:00:20] I need to make this place.

[00:00:20] You got a lot of work to do.

[00:00:22] Or have your own.

[00:00:23] I do. I need to catch up.

[00:00:24] Read it.

[00:00:24] Most of it’s Raymond Chen.

[00:00:26] So good. Mini Microsoft.

[00:00:28] Remember Mini Microsoft?

[00:00:29] Yeah.

[00:00:30] It’s all gone.

[00:00:31] Was Mini Microsoft ever uncovered?

[00:00:35] Yeah. We know who that was.

[00:00:37] Who?

[00:00:38] We don’t talk about it though.

[00:00:40] Well, who was it?

[00:00:41] I can’t tell you who Mini Microsoft was.

[00:00:43] It would be disrespectful.

[00:00:44] I’ll talk to you later.

[00:00:45] Okay. So where do you get your news?

[00:00:53] Do you just bookmark Hacker News?

[00:00:54] Is that your primary place for Hacker News?

[00:00:56] No. Actually, I don’t really look at Hacker News

[00:00:58] because there’s so much noise there.

[00:01:01] I mean, the news that I follow, it’s tech news.

[00:01:05] Tech meme, which I started reading probably 2007

[00:01:10] or something when this came out.

[00:01:12] That’s a good one.

[00:01:13] That’s the great tech business news,

[00:01:16] big technology breakthrough news aggregator site.

[00:01:20] Yeah. It’s a big dump.

[00:01:22] And it’s just like, here you go.

[00:01:25] But you kind of think what’s popular

[00:01:26] because it rises to the top

[00:01:27] and there’s lots of sublinks.

[00:01:30] Right. So this is the big one.

[00:01:34] And then I read the consumer tech news,

[00:01:37] like The Verge, right?

[00:01:40] And then I just look for stuff that doesn’t look like BS.

[00:01:44] And then I’ll go to Hacker News

[00:01:46] and I’ll just scan for anything

[00:01:48] that looks even remotely interesting.

[00:01:49] And then I’ll open up 20 tabs and that’s my lunch.

[00:01:53] Over the lunch hour, I will read these.

[00:01:55] So I’m so interested in what’s going on in the AI,

[00:01:58] but there’s a few things.

[00:02:00] The information, which covers business and technology,

[00:02:06] they’ve got a newsletter where,

[00:02:08] even if you’re not a subscriber,

[00:02:10] it’s pretty expensive.

[00:02:11] Yeah.

[00:02:15] Okay.

[00:02:16] And there’s newsletters like the briefing by Martin Gears

[00:02:20] that a lot of that will be free content.

[00:02:22] Now through Microsoft, we get subscriptions

[00:02:25] to various news organizations, including the information.

[00:02:28] So even though a lot of the content’s behind a paywall,

[00:02:32] we can get access to it through Microsoft.

[00:02:34] Yeah.

[00:02:35] Microsoft does have one good feature

[00:02:37] as part of being a Microsoft employee,

[00:02:39] which is this library, the MS library.

[00:02:41] So you get like,

[00:02:43] everyone gets links to like Business Week or whatever.

[00:02:46] And then, oh, I don’t have anything to be allowed.

[00:02:48] Information.

[00:02:50] Yeah.

[00:02:50] So we can log in as Microsoft

[00:02:53] and then bounce through to read those.

[00:02:54] Okay.

[00:02:54] Theinformation.com.

[00:02:55] I have not seen that one before.

[00:02:57] So that’s one.

[00:02:58] The other one is I subscribe to various AI newsletters.

[00:03:02] One of them is called the Rundown AI.

[00:03:06] And these are daily newsletters.

[00:03:07] There’s so much going on with AI.

[00:03:09] Now, are these all run by Substack?

[00:03:10] Because one of the things is that we are fooling

[00:03:12] ourselves into thinking that RSS, which was distributed,

[00:03:15] and you’d pull it towards you,

[00:03:17] lives on in Substack, which is centralized

[00:03:20] and just basically making email mailing lists easy.

[00:03:26] And then they’re also easily monetized.

[00:03:28] So you can then subscribe to a mailing list

[00:03:31] and then they’ll push it to you.

[00:03:33] But then you have to dig it out of your email.

[00:03:35] Are you noticing that a lot of your things are Substacks?

[00:03:38] No.

[00:03:39] I mean, these are curated.

[00:03:40] There’s people, or at least named people that run these.

[00:03:45] What’s the one you just hit, the AI one that you just said?

[00:03:47] The Rundown AI is one.

[00:03:50] A few others, but that’s one.

[00:03:51] And these are free newsletters

[00:03:54] because they’re supported through advertising.

[00:03:56] So this is a team of five people.

[00:03:59] Okay.

[00:04:01] Then another one is called Superhuman,

[00:04:03] which is one person, Zang Khan.

[00:04:06] Yeah.

[00:04:07] That’s another daily one.

[00:04:09] Another daily one is The Neuron,

[00:04:11] which is two guys, Grant and Corey.

[00:04:13] And they also have a podcast.

[00:04:16] It’s not as good as ours, but.

[00:04:17] Fair, fair.

[00:04:20] I just tried to hit Superhuman.

[00:04:22] I tried to just join the Superhuman one

[00:04:28] and I got a SSL version and Cypher mismatch.

[00:04:31] Really?

[00:04:32] Huh.

[00:04:32] Yeah.

[00:04:33] And the other one is, which is less frequent,

[00:04:37] but really good, it’s by Andrew Ng’s newsletter.

[00:04:40] It’s called The Batch from deeplearning.ai.

[00:04:44] Okay.

[00:04:45] And then the other one is Touring Post.

[00:04:47] Touring Post.

[00:04:49] Okay.

[00:04:53] I’m looking at who’s running these mailing lists,

[00:04:57] by the way.

[00:05:00] Yeah, the point is, a lot of these ones,

[00:05:03] they’re all mailing lists, they’re newsletters.

[00:05:04] They don’t appear to be substack underneath them,

[00:05:07] but it does appear though that these are a kind of,

[00:05:13] that mailing lists are the new RSS.

[00:05:15] They are the new RSS, yeah.

[00:05:16] Which is just email again.

[00:05:18] Yeah.

[00:05:20] Not that that’s a bad thing, but I kind of feel like

[00:05:25] there’s gotta be a solution.

[00:05:26] Like that means that if I blog, no one will read it.

[00:05:30] Yeah.

[00:05:31] But if I make it a mailing list,

[00:05:33] people might be into that.

[00:05:35] I ran a mailing list, a Sysinternals mailing,

[00:05:37] NTInternals mailing list back in the early 2000s.

[00:05:40] I have a mailing list called

[00:05:42] Scott Hanselman’s List of Wonderful Things,

[00:05:44] and I’ve got like 30 or 40,000 subscribers,

[00:05:46] but I haven’t done it in a couple of years

[00:05:47] and the list is probably rotten at this point.

[00:05:52] Let me see if I can find it.

[00:05:53] All right, there.

[00:05:54] Can you see that?

[00:05:55] Yeah, okay.

[00:05:55] Oh wow, copyright 2001.

[00:05:58] Yeah.

[00:05:59] So look, Process Explorer, Handle, PS Info.

[00:06:03] Well more importantly,

[00:06:04] that you’re gonna be talking about your work on Itanium.

[00:06:07] Yeah, actually, so.

[00:06:11] So I would do-

[00:06:11] I hear that’s gonna be hot.

[00:06:12] That’s gonna be a thing.

[00:06:13] I’d have an editorial,

[00:06:15] and let’s see what the editorial is.

[00:06:17] At this time, this issue, I don’t know.

[00:06:19] 33,000 subscribers.

[00:06:21] Yeah, I think at the peak,

[00:06:22] at the end was like 80, 90,000.

[00:06:25] Wow.

[00:06:28] But this is the way I would just do my own,

[00:06:30] whoops, do my own advertising

[00:06:32] right in the newsletter for Winternals,

[00:06:35] which is free.

[00:06:36] But you can look at this.

[00:06:37] I’m talking, I’m promoting VMware

[00:06:39] as a tool for debugging virtual machines.

[00:06:43] This is 25 years ago, 24 years ago.

[00:06:47] Windows XP source code layout.

[00:06:50] Then I’d post like knowledge-based articles

[00:06:52] that Microsoft would author

[00:06:53] that reference this internals tools

[00:06:55] to help people troubleshoot.

[00:06:56] So your primary source of news

[00:06:58] is 20-year-old newsletters from yourself.

[00:07:01] It actually, you know,

[00:07:02] talking about our last episode

[00:07:03] where you go back and look at your notebooks.

[00:07:05] I mean, I find it fascinating

[00:07:07] to go look at this kind of stuff.

[00:07:09] Dude, it’s funny that you mentioned that,

[00:07:10] and I love that you call that out

[00:07:12] because I’ve a long, you know,

[00:07:13] I need to get better at blogging

[00:07:14] because I was blogging for a long time,

[00:07:16] you know, 20 years.

[00:07:18] Being able to go back and like,

[00:07:20] you joked about something being like my diary.

[00:07:23] Yeah.

[00:07:24] The fact that you have this artifact,

[00:07:26] that you have a URL here is amazing.

[00:07:30] I’m taking over the screen share.

[00:07:32] I wanna show you this.

[00:07:34] I blogged for myself, you know.

[00:07:39] I blog because I wanna learn,

[00:07:42] I wanna keep track of stuff.

[00:07:44] Where is this from?

[00:07:45] This is 2003.

[00:07:47] Wow.

[00:07:48] And you didn’t post this stuff.

[00:07:51] What’s that?

[00:07:52] So these are published posts.

[00:07:54] These are published posts on my blog.

[00:07:58] And I’m talking about, you know,

[00:08:00] raising multilingual children

[00:08:02] or outlook to RSS.

[00:08:05] XML serializer bugs,

[00:08:10] uninstalling IPv6 for Windows XP.

[00:08:13] So this is kind of like my newsletter,

[00:08:14] except spread out.

[00:08:15] Yeah.

[00:08:16] It’s just, yeah, look.

[00:08:17] Well, here’s, look at this, dude.

[00:08:19] PSN?

[00:08:20] January 2003,

[00:08:22] use PSN.

[00:08:23] Did you get scumbled across that?

[00:08:25] I literally just bumped into that.

[00:08:28] I owe my career to you.

[00:08:30] Yeah, see, it all started there.

[00:08:33] And let’s see if that URL works.

[00:08:36] Cause the chances of that being a 404 are non-trivial.

[00:08:40] We’ll find out.

[00:08:41] Cause I don’t know if that sites up right now.

[00:08:45] But like, you know, just random registry keys,

[00:08:47] like stuff like that.

[00:08:48] Let’s see if I’ve actually said anything about you.

[00:08:53] Such a mean guy.

[00:08:56] Freudian slips there in your title.

[00:08:57] That’s a PS info.

[00:09:00] That is a NTW2K broken link from 20 years ago.

[00:09:05] Wait, what’s the URL?

[00:09:06] I’m putting it in the chat.

[00:09:07] You can put in a, tell Copilot to fix that.

[00:09:10] Wait, it’s a Microsoft URL?

[00:09:12] Yeah, because Sysinternals

[00:09:14] Redirects.

[00:09:15] Goes to somewhere else and it redirected.

[00:09:18] Yeah.

[00:09:19] So Sysinternals slash NDN whatever, 2K.

[00:09:24] I’ve just put it in the chat.

[00:09:26] So let’s see what we have to say about you.

[00:09:30] Tracking down a Trojan.

[00:09:31] I’m not, oh, God dang it.

[00:09:36] There we have it.

[00:09:37] And there it is.

[00:09:39] You’ve never admitted that to me ever in person, so.

[00:09:42] I would never say that.

[00:09:44] Yeah.

[00:09:47] I’m glad you did.

[00:09:48] Now.

[00:09:49] Damn it.

[00:09:50] This has ruined this entire episode.

[00:09:51] We can’t, we can’t.

[00:09:54] Switched away from that very quickly.

[00:09:56] I’m gonna have to close the screen

[00:09:58] because this is offensive at this point.

[00:10:01] Oh, look at this one.

[00:10:03] When did that?

[00:10:05] This is apparently me kissing your ass across the ages.

[00:10:07] Six.

[00:10:12] This is apparently 20 years ago when I discovered Zoomit.

[00:10:18] Between these two tools, I’m totally covered.

[00:10:22] Yep.

[00:10:23] That’s the day I discovered Zoomit.

[00:10:24] I did that in another feature for Zoomit for you.

[00:10:26] Do you have the latest one?

[00:10:28] That is actually very true.

[00:10:29] Let’s talk about that very briefly

[00:10:30] because what Mark doesn’t know

[00:10:33] is that not only did he solve that problem for me,

[00:10:35] where he added smoothing for Zoomit

[00:10:37] because when you Zoomit, you can do like nearest pixels

[00:10:40] and just like one pixel becomes four, four becomes 16,

[00:10:42] or you can anti-aliasing them.

[00:10:44] And there’s varying levels of anti-aliasing

[00:10:46] that’s provided by GDI

[00:10:47] and the different things that you can do.

[00:10:48] But it turns out that Zoomit’s default zooming

[00:10:51] doesn’t look good on an LCD screen.

[00:10:55] And that’s what they’re using on the AI Tour.

[00:10:57] So the producer for the AI Tour called me

[00:10:59] and said that they want to use Zoomit,

[00:11:01] but it doesn’t look good.

[00:11:04] And then you turned around and IMed me on T.

[00:11:06] And then I turned around and IMed you

[00:11:07] and you had it solved.

[00:11:10] Within three days.

[00:11:10] And I asked an AI assistant to help.

[00:11:13] All right.

[00:11:14] That was very interesting stuff.

[00:11:17] Where to get news.

[00:11:18] Where to get news.

[00:11:19] All right.

[00:11:21] I got to make a call and we will see you again

[00:11:24] next week.

[00:11:27] Bye.

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